tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686867.post8256952035686610791..comments2023-05-21T07:47:55.752-06:00Comments on Boiled Dinner: Getting PoliticalKoshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03635717176794202612noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686867.post-51088102463219147172007-05-13T13:40:00.000-06:002007-05-13T13:40:00.000-06:00Don ~ yep, Joe's interpreted my comment accurately...Don ~ yep, Joe's interpreted my comment accurately.Cheezyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10176170186766506070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686867.post-79948127384195368892007-05-12T08:33:00.000-06:002007-05-12T08:33:00.000-06:00(though still, I don't see an asterisk and disclai...<I>(though still, I don't see an asterisk and disclaimer after Thou Shalt Not Kill)</I><BR/><BR/><BR/>The commandment appears in the original text of Deuteronomy as "Thou shall not murder".<BR/><BR/>In the King James Bible, it is written as "Thou shall not kill".<BR/><BR/>The difference is hardly semantics. In Judaism, the sanctity of life is considered the single most important tenet.<BR/><BR/>But one is not beholden to a "turn the other cheek" mentality if one's life, or that of another, is threatened. <BR/><BR/>Murder is the unlawful taking of a life. Killing is killing, period.<BR/><BR/>Sometimes, there <I>is</I> wiggle room in that commandment, if it means acting in self-defense or the defense of others (and I'm not referring to anyone's comments here about Iraq).<BR/><BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments#Variations_between_Exodus_and_DeuteronomyDeadmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08449318388713585299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686867.post-77145103418530605812007-05-11T19:44:00.000-06:002007-05-11T19:44:00.000-06:00Funny how some people always look for a bit of 'wi...<I>Funny how some people always look for a bit of 'wiggle room' to justify the kinda murders they're comfortable with </I><BR/><BR/>I'm with ya there, Cheez. But then, people will always look for a bit of wiggle room to justify most anything they are comfortable with, while denouncing "the other guys' way."gekkohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11449349291594250381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686867.post-31249607948974967372007-05-11T14:46:00.000-06:002007-05-11T14:46:00.000-06:00I saw Cheezy's comment in a different light, Don. ...I saw Cheezy's comment in a different light, Don. For instance, when an Iraq family was driving up to a checkpoint, in order to get away from heavy fighting, and American soldiers blasted the hell out of them without any real provocation. A two year old girl caught a bullet between the eyes. Since they were in Iraq, and were Iraqis, it was an "accident". Never mind the fact that absolutely nothing that an innocent Iraqi family shoudn't have was found in the vehicle, never mind that a 2 year old girl should not be easily mistaken for a terrorist. Would we be so forgiving if it had been an American family blown away by the cops, who shot first and asked questions later?<BR/><BR/>Another good example is the Marines who seem to have raped a teenage girl, then killed her and her family to cover it up. I've actually spoken to people who see their arrest as an example of "how the liberals won't let them do the job they were sent there to do." Only because this was an Iraqi family would they defend rape and murder.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686867.post-40383477525279631682007-05-11T14:28:00.000-06:002007-05-11T14:28:00.000-06:00Most of those are reservoirs, Don, not lakes, and ...Most of those are reservoirs, Don, not lakes, and I'm not down with the man-made swimming hole, you dig?Koshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03635717176794202612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686867.post-57779709293394818432007-05-11T13:41:00.000-06:002007-05-11T13:41:00.000-06:00we don't have beaches in ColoradoDude.<I>we don't have beaches in Colorado</I><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.chiff.com/recreation/beaches/US/colorado.htm" REL="nofollow">Dude.</A>Donhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16090153485822745036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686867.post-20987093496317746902007-05-11T13:39:00.000-06:002007-05-11T13:39:00.000-06:00(usually of people thousands of miles away, who do...<I>(usually of people thousands of miles away, who don't look like them)</I><BR/><BR/>Where does this come from? Did we kill Germans less aggressively than Japanese? Do Arabs really look so much different from say Hispanics (which is a very American genotype)? Are we cooking up machinations against India that we never would against Russia? I've just never seen any truth underpinning this common yet entirely baseless hint at racism.Donhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16090153485822745036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686867.post-23867770028154034562007-05-11T13:33:00.000-06:002007-05-11T13:33:00.000-06:00I don't recall God sanctioning the killing of inno...<I>I don't recall God sanctioning the killing of innocent people</I><BR/><BR/>I'm no scholar by any means but I immediately thought of Job's children, etc. Not to mention there were surely children in both Sodom and Gomorrah. So clearly, even in a righteous cause, innocents will suffer and die, but the cause being righteous makes the damage collateral and regrettable rather than self-serving and evil. Now if everyone would just agree on which is which ...Donhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16090153485822745036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686867.post-57048178971607523042007-05-11T09:45:00.000-06:002007-05-11T09:45:00.000-06:00Hey ~ it was just that one post, Jeff! I'm sure yo...Hey ~ it was just that <I>one</I> post, Jeff! I'm sure you won't do it again ;-)Cheezyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10176170186766506070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686867.post-1792065263894007852007-05-11T08:21:00.000-06:002007-05-11T08:21:00.000-06:00Holy crap, Cheezy... morally infallible? I can hon...Holy crap, Cheezy... morally infallible? I can honestly say that combination of words has never been used to describe me in my life. That's it. I'm taking the day off and going to the beach! Oh, wait, we don't have beaches in Colorado. Damn!Koshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03635717176794202612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686867.post-16970156786774201712007-05-11T01:50:00.000-06:002007-05-11T01:50:00.000-06:00Funny how some people always look for a bit of 'wi...Funny how some people always look for a bit of 'wiggle room' to justify the kinda murders they're comfortable with (usually of people thousands of miles away, who don't look like them), while still condemning, in the strongest possible terms, the <I>other</I> sort (usually of people rather closer to home). <BR/><BR/>On the other hand, Jeff, I found <I>your</I> post to be morally infallible.Cheezyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10176170186766506070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686867.post-83254835924219060302007-05-10T20:44:00.000-06:002007-05-10T20:44:00.000-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Deadmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08449318388713585299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686867.post-21122517033783138022007-05-10T15:32:00.000-06:002007-05-10T15:32:00.000-06:00Besides it wasn't me what started it, it was some ...Besides it wasn't me what started it, it was some other guy on the Innertubes. Blame him, not me.Sour Grapeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04834889119726414165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686867.post-21998295555239935372007-05-10T15:31:00.000-06:002007-05-10T15:31:00.000-06:00Murder isn't murder just because it's illegal. The...Murder isn't murder just because it's illegal. The state cannot make murder okay just by passing a law that says it is. And as far as what a large part of the Christian denominations thinking it should be "murder" -- how come we're only hearing about this now? It's been Thou Shalt Not Kill as long as I've been aware, and it still is, everywhere but America.Sour Grapeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04834889119726414165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686867.post-32368732419155676702007-05-10T14:33:00.000-06:002007-05-10T14:33:00.000-06:00Your points are well-taken, Gek. But while I'm cer...Your points are well-taken, Gek. But while I'm certainly aware of God killing and commanding his children to kill, I'm not aware of any mention of collateral damage. In other words (and my bible-study days are a bit behind me, so I admit I may be wrong), I don't recall God sanctioning the killing of innocent people. He sanctioned the killing only of people he believe needed to die because, to oversimplify, they weren't living according to his Word.Koshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03635717176794202612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686867.post-62251638633451217462007-05-10T13:42:00.000-06:002007-05-10T13:42:00.000-06:00I don't see an asterisk and disclaimer after Thou ...<I>I don't see an asterisk and disclaimer after Thou Shalt Not Kill</I><BR/><BR/>If one believed that all religious beliefs are absolute, and absolutely agreed upon the meaning/intention of the commandment you quote, you'd have a point. Point of fact -- the original Hebrew for that commandment, and the understanding of a large portion of the major Christian denominations with respect to the meaning/intent behind that commandment is "Thou Shalt Not Murder". Kill in the sense of taking a life illegally. Even God killed or commanded his children to kill in his name, after all, long after he handed those commandments to Moses and said "make it so."<BR/><BR/>That was the loophole that bazillions of Jews and Christians have used throughout time to justify killing -- state sanctioned killing. That's the asterisk your copy of the Bible failed to provide.<BR/><BR/>Remember, to thump a snippet of the Bible, you need to thump the entire Bible, including the bits you may not agree with.gekkohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11449349291594250381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686867.post-60167203476491262752007-05-10T11:50:00.000-06:002007-05-10T11:50:00.000-06:00Amen, brother!Amen, brother!JennyJinxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15465402454146317920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686867.post-55343995588051793862007-05-10T11:36:00.000-06:002007-05-10T11:36:00.000-06:00Hey! I'd only hit her if she hit me first, or trie...Hey! I'd only hit her if she hit me first, or tried to steal my boiled goat innards.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686867.post-84131817207800746522007-05-10T11:30:00.000-06:002007-05-10T11:30:00.000-06:00Good post.About this: "The arguments against you a...Good post.<BR/><BR/>About this: "The arguments against you are the true strawman arguments, because they rely on asserting that you said what you didn't say."<BR/><BR/>Oh my. This is scary but I think I have Joe in my head--because I was going to write this EXACT thing about what the true strawman is in this situation.<BR/><BR/>Not only that, but I must also have UV in my head because she wrote the rest of what I was going to say.<BR/><BR/>"Joe, move over asswipe, you're crowding me."<BR/><BR/>"UV you may be a girl but I can still hit you and I will."<BR/><BR/>God, now they're having conversations in my head. MAKE THEM STOP.Granny Snarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14517630087987260845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686867.post-19458182034840318792007-05-10T10:51:00.000-06:002007-05-10T10:51:00.000-06:00Joe nailed it. The people who are incorrectly call...Joe nailed it. The people who are incorrectly calling your other post a strawman argument are MAKING a strawman argument in the process. It's very funny. The statement that only volunteer troops and terrorists are dying in Iraq is so astonishingly stupid that I can't believe anyone wrote it.Paulahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10352412943602159027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686867.post-44784805919085003792007-05-10T10:08:00.000-06:002007-05-10T10:08:00.000-06:00Well, to some people, no one is innocent if they'r...Well, to some people, no one is innocent if they're from a certain country or practise a certain religion. Remember, it's not fair to judge ALL Christians by the actions and words of Fred Phelps, but it IS fair and proper to judge all Muslims on the actions and words of Osama Bin Laden. Or something like that. (I'm speaking of an attitude I've seen in a lot of places, I'm not ascribing it to a particular individual.)<BR/><BR/>In other news...<BR/><BR/><BR/>What I find amazing is that someone who claims to respect you would snub your explanation of what your argument was in favor of her own interpretation. I guess different people have different definitions of the word "respect." As far as I'm concerned, the arguments against you are the true strawman arguments, because they rely on asserting that you said what you didn't say.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com